Webb on the 2nd Amendment
When it comes to protecting our 2nd Amendment rights there is only one Senate candidate I trust - George Allen. Jim Webb claims he supports the 2nd Amendment, but would he support another infringement on our rights by working to enact another Assault Weapons Ban?
From a recent VCDL alert regarding the large Webb contingent at the Roanoke gun show comes this:
Renewing the the AWB (aka Clinton gun ban) may be popular among leftist (Neal supports it, RK does too) and Webb has publicly stated "That's the difference between, between self protection and military style weapons and I wouldn't have a hard time saying that the people don't need fully automatic weapons."
Whether he means people shouldn't have machine guns or any "military style weapon" (by style is he talking aesthetics?) doesn't matter. I should have the right to own a machine gun if I want one (I think I just heard an "OH MY"). Someone tell me, how many crimes have been committed with legally owned machine guns since 1934? Also, I wonder, without looking it up, can you tell me what the Assault Weapons Ban did? The items that were outlawed, what crimes did they prevent? Anyone? Despite all the cries about blood in the streets, the sunset of the ban has not caused an increase in crime.
The ignorance of the RK crowd is amazing. This statement regarding AK-47s cracks me up:
From Lowell on the Webb for Senate blog we find this little gem posted on August 4, 2006:
Let me get this straight. Lowell had at that time known Webb for 9 months and is holding that up as something to be proud of. Check out this post to see Webb's history of endorsements. He doesn't seem to have a history of keeping a position for long (unless, of course, it may be regarding women in the military).
So, first off, I don't believe Webb will be as strong a 2nd Amendment supporter as Senator Allen and, even if I did believe it, I would also believe that his position would change depending on which way the wind was blowing.
One more bit from another VCDL alert:
Lastly, today is my birthday (I'll give anyone who can correctly guess my age a nice round of applause), I've been wanting either an AK-47 or an SA58. Maybe I'll actually order one.
Also posted here.
From a recent VCDL alert regarding the large Webb contingent at the Roanoke gun show comes this:
MOST [Webb supporters] stated Mr. Webb would not vote for any more gun laws restricting our gun rights. One spokeslady talked to us for quite some time--she stated Mr Webb supported our rights--then she made an eye opening statement--- she stated Mr Webb was like President Clinton, and would not be a part of any new gun laws------when I asked her--"What about the assault weapons ban of 1994?", she did NOT know what I was talking about!
Renewing the the AWB (aka Clinton gun ban) may be popular among leftist (Neal supports it, RK does too) and Webb has publicly stated "That's the difference between, between self protection and military style weapons and I wouldn't have a hard time saying that the people don't need fully automatic weapons."
Whether he means people shouldn't have machine guns or any "military style weapon" (by style is he talking aesthetics?) doesn't matter. I should have the right to own a machine gun if I want one (I think I just heard an "OH MY"). Someone tell me, how many crimes have been committed with legally owned machine guns since 1934? Also, I wonder, without looking it up, can you tell me what the Assault Weapons Ban did? The items that were outlawed, what crimes did they prevent? Anyone? Despite all the cries about blood in the streets, the sunset of the ban has not caused an increase in crime.
The ignorance of the RK crowd is amazing. This statement regarding AK-47s cracks me up:
Hell you'd prolly kill half your family by firing the damn thing in your home if you didn't know what you were doing and were startled by a burglar.Uhhh, ok. Please tell me, how exactly would that happen? A startled homeowner is going to start randomly firing into the dark and kill their family? You've got a nice imagination, but in the real world things like that don't happen.
From Lowell on the Webb for Senate blog we find this little gem posted on August 4, 2006:
On guns, Webb is a strong supporter of the 2nd Amendment. He has never changed his position on this issue since I've known him (12/05).
Let me get this straight. Lowell had at that time known Webb for 9 months and is holding that up as something to be proud of. Check out this post to see Webb's history of endorsements. He doesn't seem to have a history of keeping a position for long (unless, of course, it may be regarding women in the military).
So, first off, I don't believe Webb will be as strong a 2nd Amendment supporter as Senator Allen and, even if I did believe it, I would also believe that his position would change depending on which way the wind was blowing.
One more bit from another VCDL alert:
Quote for the day from "Lord of War" with Nicolas Cage, who plays an arms broker, "There are over 550,000,000 firearms in worldwide circulation. That is one firearm for every twelve people on the planet. The only question is ... how do we arm the other eleven?"
Lastly, today is my birthday (I'll give anyone who can correctly guess my age a nice round of applause), I've been wanting either an AK-47 or an SA58. Maybe I'll actually order one.
Also posted here.
posted by Nick Howard at 11:46 AM
10 Comments:
Liberal Democrats may not support gun rights, but Jim Webb does.
Hey VC, Webb may be better than liberal democrats on gun rights, but he's no George Allen.
Here, Here! Nick
Let's take VC shooting... It will do him good..
I'm game.
As a Californian I don't trust Democrats one whit, they are slaves to their Robot Masters - the Democrat Central Coimmittee that runs things, including things in their brains and the words they speak.
The path to success among Democrats is to become another Robot Master, as high up in the Politburo as Dianne Feinstein, Nancy Pelosi, Barbara Boxer, or Harry Reid - all anti-gun champions. To achiecve success the slave underlings must champion the same causes as their overlords. If they don't their political career is simply as a local, temporary placeholder until a suitable replacement can be found, even if they have to move the replacement-Congressbot into the State from elsewhere. They just move 'em into a colege town first and rig things. Boxer is from Brooklyn, Pelosi is also not a Californian, many of the bigwigs in the CA state aparatus are from elsewhere.
Just my opinion...
And an excellent observation Dirtcrashr! Webb will certainly "adjust" is 2A views.. He will not get any MSM "ink" if he doesn't.
VC:
We need to make that happen! Maybe we can put it on the agenda at the next Blogs United!
I wanted to sound off about this over here, as I just did on "Spank that Donkey" because I observe that even you wooly and extinct elephants seem to be weaving a waffle for a Webb.
So where is Webb on A2?
Well lets see: we know both Allen and Webb support CCR:
http://allens-a-team.com/2006/09/18/the-debate-wrap-up/
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/09/18/AR2006091801191.html
No historical inconsistency there.
And I checked (at your request) and Webb opposes the DC gun ban, and opposes the assault style weapons ban: the official confirmation of that will come when NRA releases its survey: Webb will get an A from the NRA, because he is solid on ALL of their issues.
Webb has stated publicly and repeatedly that he is for no greater gun regulation than is currently on the books. . . that applies to assault weapons, and seems alot more straight forward than trying to divine the difference between an assault weapon and a machine gun from that strange quotation.
So who is the 2A flip flopper? On Assault Weapons, it is George flippin’ Allen:
"I have taken a position that I would not repeal the existing ban. Therefore logically I would vote to continue the existing law."
Senatorial candidate George Allen on AWB, as quoted in the September 15, 2000 edition of the Richmond Times Dispatch
But four years later:
I have decided…to vote against extension of the 'Assault Weapons Ban.'
-- Statement issued by Senator George Allen; March 1, 2004
So he was (GASP) for the AWB before he was against it? Yes, that is what an elephant flavored waffle tastes like. Reminds me a bit of the taste of bile I got from an anti-Kerry commercial that I remember from 2004. . . .
See also
http://www.timesdispatch.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=RTD/MGArticle/RTD_BasicArticle&c=MGArticle&cid=1128768907475
And where did Allen stand on gun issues the last time he ran for Senate? Well, in September 2000 Allen filled out a survey saying he AGREES with the following statements:
• Require manufacturers to provide child-safety locks on guns.
• Increase penalties for the possession of any illegal guns.
• Require background checks of gun buyers at gun shows.
Source: Vote-smart.org NPAT Issues questionnaire Sep 20, 2000
http://www.issues2000.org/Domestic/George_Allen_Gun_Control.htm
And all this was after he agreed to push the repeal of one gun a month, as a one time gubernatorial candidate, and then found he had other priorities, as governor.
Do you really think that Allen "found religion" on guns in 2004, or do you think that he might sway again the next time the political breezes blow from a different direction?
I was one of the "Webb Supporters" who was at the Roanoke Gun Show, with a table full of great guns and I spoke to the VCDL folks there, rather more specifically than what is suggested by your Post about Webb on 2A issues.
I am sure that there are some Webb supporters who are not familliar with the issues surrounding the Assault Style Weapons Ban. However, Webb himself is very familliar with these issues, and if you are serious about the issue, you ought to get the facts right.
I left these facts before here, and they disappeared.
So where is Webb on A2?
Well lets see: we know both Allen and Webb support CCR:
http://allens-a-team.com/2006/09/18/the-debate-wrap-up/
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/09/18/AR2006091801191.html
Webb opposes the assault style weapons ban: the official confirmation of that will come when NRA releases its survey.
Webb will get an A from the NRA, because he is solid on ALL of their issues. Webb has stated publicly and repeatedly that he is for no greater gun regulation than is currently on the books. . . that applies to assault weapons.
So who is the 2A flip flopper? On Assault Weapons, it is George flippin’ Allen:
"I have taken a position that I would not repeal the existing ban. Therefore logically I would vote to continue the existing law."
Senatorial candidate George Allen on AWB, as quoted in the September 15, 2000 edition of the Richmond Times Dispatch
But four years later:
I have decided…to vote against extension of the 'Assault Weapons Ban.'
-- Statement issued by Senator George Allen; March 1, 2004
So he was (GASP) for the AWB before he was against it? Yes, that is what an elephant flavored waffle tastes like. Reminds me a bit of the taste of bile I got from an anti-Kerry commercial that I remember from 2004. . . .
See also
http://www.timesdispatch.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=RTD/MGArticle/RTD_BasicArticle&c=MGArticle&cid=1128768907475
And where did Allen stand on gun issues the last time he ran for Senate? Well, in September 2000 Allen filled out a survey saying he AGREES with the following statements:
• Require manufacturers to provide child-safety locks on guns.
• Increase penalties for the possession of any illegal guns.
• Require background checks of gun buyers at gun shows.
Source: Vote-smart.org NPAT Issues questionnaire Sep 20, 2000
http://www.issues2000.org/Domestic/George_Allen_Gun_Control.htm
And all this was after he agreed to push the repeal of one gun a month, as a one time gubernatorial candidate, and then found he had other priorities, as governor.
Oops. Now I see my comments have re-appeared. Sorry for the repeated info in the posts.
The Donkey
Hey VA. This is Steve in the wonderfully pro-second amendment, pro self defence first, State of Texas.
Here we know a thing or two about liberals messing with our gun rights. Believe me, the liberals know that too.
In 92 the Texas congress passed our CCW law. Ann Richards decided to go against the will of Texas, and vetoed it. Unfortunatly this was the issue W. used to vault himself into power. But with that said, we all know what happened to Richards. (vision of football getting punted).
So that brings me to Webb.
I think Webb is certainly more pro-second amendment than most democrats.
If we are discussing him in the context of the Senate than thats fine, but as for VP.... my question is with Barack Obama being the likely nomminee for the Democratic Party, does it matter?
Everyday we keep learning more and more about Obama and guns, and the fact is forget about your AR-15, your pump action shotgun isn't safe from Obama.
Obama is more anti-gun than even Hillary Clinton, Ted Kennedy, and I would even venture as far to say Diane Finestein.
It doesn't matter to me if Obama picks Webb, or for that matter Ted Nugent. Im still not voting for him.
The VP is not the most important of the two.
Now do I think Webb supports the "assault weapons" ban? I don't think so, but that doesn't mean he wouldn't compromise. Thats how our government works.
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